failing. i think when we say washington is broken, it's never going to get better -- and i'm not saying that's what we're saying here -- but that's failing. by saying, well, it's just broken, we'll have to accept our place in history. no, we can come to a compromise. like i said, truly, there is a feeling in my caucus, and in me specifically, i can say, that i feel we are willing to compromise by coming to the table and saying we understand we'll have to raise the debt limit specifically, but we have to get ourselves on a fiscal trajectory, because look, we've spent too much money. we have the same tax rates, two wars, the same prescription drug benefit in 2007, but the deficit then was $161 billion. this year it's $1.5 trillion. >> this is the question, senator hagel, is this extreme principle or is this a form of taking an issue and using that issue to say, you know, absolutely no give, no matter whether there's a crisis looming financially or not? >> well, first, democracies can only work through consensus. there is no way it can work in any other form or fashion. doris talked about it.